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Seissor · Oct 10, 2005, 06:00 AM // 06:00

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Originally Posted by unienaule

This is a theoretical post, not a useless one. It's like Superman vs. Spiderman. Nobody asks why are they fighting each other in those...

Superman: I called New York

Spiderman: Nah uh!

Superman: Yes huh!

Spiderman: Oh it's on!

*battle ensues to see who can wear their underwear in NYC and fight crime*

GreatLich · Oct 10, 2005, 02:10 PM // 14:10

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Originally Posted by pagansaint

Greatlich... You really need to get a freaking clue lol. That was about the most mentally deficient answer I've seen on these boards. Ever. Maybe ANY board. Ever. So yes, that qualifies you saying that as retarded.

Are you all twelve? In any pointless comparison between two, the answer "The enterprise" has been a staple for years on the net.

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Originally Posted by Slade xTekno

The guy who posted the one liner is going to get me banned? *shock*

Lol, the irony! :]

Of course it's not realistic, but for the sake of the argument you could at least compare the two.

If you you insult me any more, I will atleast report you for it. What the moderators do with that is up to them.

For the sake of argument? What argument?
There's no discussion here, nothing to see, move along...

Dargull · Oct 10, 2005, 02:19 PM // 14:19

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Originally Posted by Prophecies Heleus

After playing both build as axe and hammer im debating who will win in a one on one.
hammer-Advantage-Knockdown,Damage overall.Disavnatage-Slow,not too many dmaage added skill

Axe-Advantage-Fast,Major added damage skill,Disadvantage-too much builded adredaline need,not as much damage

Axe is fast and they do major damg after evicrate and certain attack hammer may kncodwn and give weaknesss but so can axe both seem to match evenly but i need to figure who will win

this fight will use no tatic or other just pure one on one strength allow
can anyone tell me who will win

You need to learn how to spell. So that next time you ask for useless comparisons, you don't seem stupid in advance.

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Originally Posted by pagansaint

Greatlich... You really need to get a freaking clue lol. That was about the most mentally deficient answer I've seen on these boards. Ever. Maybe ANY board. Ever. So yes, that qualifies you saying that as retarded.

So and how long have you been on the internet? 2 maybe 3 years at most would be my guess...

Because if you would of been on the net (or maybe even usenet, if that word even has any meaning to you) any longer you would know that "The Enterprise" is a reference to the question; "Who would win in the Death Star vs. the Enterprise?" wich is of course a pointless discussion as are most "X vs. X" discussions (like Hammer vs. Axe) are.

Conclusion: Either your knowledge of internet lore is seriously lacking, in wich case you should shut up when you don't understand something, or ask for an explenation, instead of flame. Or you're suffering from some sort of social anxiety disorder, wich causes you to feel the need to put people down who understand something you don't.

asdar · Oct 10, 2005, 02:29 PM // 14:29

A lot of guild have two halls. If your guild is one set up a 1v1 night and test it out.

It sounds like fun to me, you just need four people online in the shadow guild and you could all do some 1v1 testing.

I think the stupid part is to try the warrior only build. That's not reality. Do a full up Warrior/?? vs Warrior/??.

I think the axe would win just because he'd get his adrenaline burst. If anything the axe has a defensive or energy edge because of the 1 hand thing so if the warrior gets all defensive he should lose.

Yukito Kunisaki · Oct 10, 2005, 03:23 PM // 15:23

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Originally Posted by GreatLich

the enterprise will win.

No BATMAN always wins...

mishop · Oct 10, 2005, 04:51 PM // 16:51

I actually like this post. It's a fun hypothetical. I'll chime in and predict that an Axer with balanced stance and warriors cunning should always beat a hammer. With out balanced stance, a hammer with knockdowns and a secondary follow-up (holy strike or aftershock) should always beat an axer. As a side note, I think hammer knockdowns are more effective than axe or sword interrupts against a caster. Its funny sometimes-casters see the hammer and just run.

John Bloodstone · Oct 10, 2005, 06:21 PM // 18:21

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Originally Posted by Seissor

Balanced stance, then i use eviscerate and plenty of other nasty skills, axe would win. and i got news for you, the hammer could also win, the game is made so no weapon build is totally awesome, it also depends on the players, their skill, and their build etc.

Ah, but the battle hardened Warrior would wait for you to activate your balanced stance and wait for it to wear off (some guesswork would need to be employed however). Once balanced is gone, Devastating Hammer combo ftw!

mishop · Oct 10, 2005, 06:30 PM // 18:30

You would need excellent timing. Balance stance I think goes for up to 18 seconds with only 20 recharge time. You might be looking at a 2 second window.

Jetdoc · Oct 10, 2005, 07:15 PM // 19:15

Balanced Stance + Dolyak Signet = no chance for hammer to win.

Foppe · Oct 10, 2005, 07:24 PM // 19:24

WTF is this about, this is just a shitting topic about balanced stance and how itowns HAMMAH. Both axe and hammer are good and have their plus and minus points, this cant be RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GOimg argued.

PuppetSoul · Oct 11, 2005, 10:26 AM // 10:26

Wild Blow is your friend. Wild Blow belongs on every W/W, it kills the "well I bring such-and-such stance" arguement.

But yeah, I think axe would probably still win, since all you really have to do to beat a hammerer is bring Victory is Mine... DW, Cripple, Weakness and ViM will keep you alive for practically ever versus any kind of war except IW.

Of course, axe also has disrupting chop, which is feindish against other warriors because you can lock up slow-swing skills (hammer) for practically ever.

Axe can use zealot and flurry back their energy, charge their adr, let flurry wear off and unleash an adr spike, then start over. Hammer isn't quite so quick since it still only swings 1.5 or something with flurry. By the time you'd have your KDs you'd be walking into at least disrupting chop and likely already be weaknessed. =/

I think axe would win because it's more versatile. They'd both probably lose to sword hardcore because of bleed (Dolyak Sig, Sever, Gash, Watch Yourself, Victory is Mine, Wild Blow, I will Survive, Hamstring). Sword can turtle them to death unless they use ViM or I will Survive, but since sword is so concentrated (can bring 3 attack skills which are quick-charge or energy) sword has the advantage. Of course this build wouldn't be good at anything except killing warriors (and possibly rangers), so it's a lost cause.

Yukito Kunisaki · Oct 12, 2005, 03:08 PM // 15:08

I suppose it all comes down to what you find is useful...

I like axe cause it can be used in any mode of play without penalty.

You can't knockdown everything in pve... [Yeah, I'LL KNOCK DOWN THAT SNOW WURM!!! ^_^]

caldebog · Oct 12, 2005, 05:32 PM // 17:32

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Originally Posted by GreatLich

Are you all twelve? In any pointless comparison between two, the answer "The enterprise" has been a staple for years on the net.

If you you insult me any more, I will atleast report you for it. What the moderators do with that is up to them.

For the sake of argument? What argument?
There's no discussion here, nothing to see, move along...

the last i saw this thread was about hammers vs. axes, how did the enterprise get into it?

i wouldnt know if they did anything wrong to insult you GreatLich, yes they have said things to you,but saying a one-liner that was 1) off topic and 2) not very helpful shows that you brought it upon yourself.

i figured this is an opinionated thread and it is put up to open comments but not to persuade anyone to believe that axe or hammer is better than the other.so there is NO argument since it was never one to start with.

so if i would give my opinion about this,i agree what its all about countering the counters and so on. i guess no warrior would head for a warrior first in PvP.

rii · Oct 12, 2005, 06:50 PM // 18:50

No, he was pointing out this is meaningless, and was only directly meaningless. Indirectly, i restate, he was saying that the topic was meaningless.

And no, its not an opinion based thread, otherwise it would be called: hammers vs axe (which do you like best?)... as it stands, its axe vs hammer (who will win), which as has been pointed out is meaningless.

And if you want a real answer, the answer is neither, since a guy with a wand will come in on a killing frenzy and whip them both before they even touch each other.

Guardian of the Light · Oct 12, 2005, 08:50 PM // 20:50

Once again I am at another wants the best weapon for a warrior type discussions. Remember in GW there is a counter for everything (or if there's not the staff will nerf it

) and every Weapon, skill and combo has its strengths and weaknesses. And I know a few facts for swords, axes and hammers.

Sword: Quickest Attack but lowest max damage X_X. Good For: Gain Adriniline fast and doing combos. I.E. Sever+Gash+Hamstring+Deadly Riposte+ Victory is MINE! Shortage of good Elite Attack skills.X_X

Axe: 2nd Highest max damage but lowest minium damage.Great attack and defensive skills. Attack Speed is pretty fast. Ax skills lac combos without using other professions X_X.

Hammer: The best Damage for low and high. Great attack skills! Attack speed slow X_X. Doesn't use shield and can't access the "shield" skills.

Sword=defensive (to teammates as well as self due to "watch yourself")
Axe= Well Rounded
Hammer = Highly offensive but not good at self defending

Conclusion: Its best for warriors in a Group NOT to use the same weapon because of different conditions and different skills

Hope that put all of this to rest

smurfhunter · Oct 12, 2005, 09:04 PM // 21:04

for the last time... axe attack speed and sword attack speeds are the same...!

why in gods name does a sword warrior have to run watch yourself? like w t f?

but i do agree with your conclusion

GreatLich · Oct 13, 2005, 01:46 AM // 01:46

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Originally Posted by caldebog

the last i saw this thread was about hammers vs. axes, how did the enterprise get into it?

i wouldnt know if they did anything wrong to insult you GreatLich, yes they have said things to you,but saying a one-liner that was 1) off topic and 2) not very helpful shows that you brought it upon yourself.

i figured this is an opinionated thread and it is put up to open comments but not to persuade anyone to believe that axe or hammer is better than the other.so there is NO argument since it was never one to start with.

so if i would give my opinion about this,i agree what its all about countering the counters and so on. i guess no warrior would head for a warrior first in PvP.

Read my posts and think, no not think again, simply think!

Slade xTekno · Oct 13, 2005, 08:04 AM // 08:04

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Originally Posted by GreatLich

Are you all twelve? In any pointless comparison between two, the answer "The enterprise" has been a staple for years on the net.

If you you insult me any more, I will atleast report you for it. What the moderators do with that is up to them.

For the sake of argument? What argument?
There's no discussion here, nothing to see, move along...

What are you, forty? Some of us haven't lived on the internet since it was created.

If you insult us anymore, we can simply report you. I have the first paragraph in the quote above the prove it.

We're doing it for the sake of the argument you are trying so hard to quash.
There is a discussion now, so contribute or get out.

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Originally Posted by GreatLich

Read my posts and think, no not think again, simply think!

I simply thought and got a one-liner.

tafy69 · Oct 13, 2005, 08:36 AM // 08:36

Hmm Hammer Vs Axe, I have had a few 1v1 in arena with my hammer warrior (Random Arena) and Since I run Devestating Hammer and high strength the axe warrior is seriously gimped.

Not Many axe warriors run the skill that gives Weakness, and they either run frenzy or spare Strength for Tigers Fury, both of which will gimp himself vs W/N Hammer with plague touch or W/E Aftershock (Most Common Hammer Warriors).

Also I know its sad but a Paladin will own both warriors for obvious reasons

Nightwish · Oct 13, 2005, 11:32 AM // 11:32

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Originally Posted by tafy69

Hmm Hammer Vs Axe, I have had a few 1v1 in arena with my hammer warrior (Random Arena) and Since I run Devestating Hammer and high strength the axe warrior is seriously gimped.

Not Many axe warriors run the skill that gives Weakness, and they either run frenzy or spare Strength for Tigers Fury, both of which will gimp himself vs W/N Hammer with plague touch or W/E Aftershock (Most Common Hammer Warriors).

Also I know its sad but a Paladin will own both warriors for obvious reasons

Lord Paladins are the kings of 1 vs 1